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"This film is basically silent, right? Because there's nothing in it."
That might seem like a strange thing for a sound designer to say. It might seem like a strange thing for the sound designer of runaway action hit, Gravity, to say. It definitely seems a strange thing for a sound designer to say about a film that is pretty much made for Dolby Atmos.
But sound doesn't travel in space so how do you handle space-sound in an action film that sells itself on its intergalactic realism?
Glenn Freemantle, Gravity's sound designer, describes the film as basically silent because every diegetic sound you hear was recorded specially for the film.
"The idea is that she Sandra Bullock's character hears things in space through touch, through her suit because there's oxygen and air in her suit - so we hear through her," Glenn Freemantle, Gravity's sound designer explains to us. "So we would record all the sounds like that - because it's the idea of sound through vibration, we recorded with contact mics which record that vibration.
"That whole idea came out in the first meeting we had in 2010. So the style [of the sound] was conceived then, right at the beginning. It wasn't something we kept changing. So rather than bang, crash, wallop, we wanted to try and make what she was in, how she was hearing it, how she was feeling it as real as possible."
In a regular film, the sound comes at you from either five speakers (5.1) or seven (7.1). The sound team on Gravity decided from the get-go to opt for 7.1, giving them three speakers at the front of the theatre, one on each side and one at the rear to play with.
But while Gravity was in production, Dolby debuted its new Atmos system.
Atmos adds a whole load more speakers into the mix - up to 64, in fact. The audience is surrounded by speakers so that sound can glide smoothly around the room rather than hopping from front to back in two or three jumps.
The sound of thunder to the west can come from a speaker overhead and to the west - or, in Gravity's case, space debris can come hurtling from 12 Azimuth degrees from due North so when it hits, the sound can travel through speakers from 12 degrees from due North. In simple terms, it's 3D for sound.
This works particularly well in Gravity, which "has Atmos written all over it", according to Freemantle.
"The whole idea is that the whole film moves. All the time. Every aspect of it," he explains - and if you've seen Gravity then you'll know what he means.
"It helps people feel it - you don't just hear it, you feel it."There's barely a moment of stillness during the film's 91 minute runtime. Characters and equipment constantly tumble through zero-gravity, making any time they are strapped into place a huge relief. While that's disorientating enough in a regular 2D screening, a 3D screening ups the ante and Atmos puts it right on the verge of sickness-inducing.
"When we wanted to get from the back and then move, say, George [Clooney] around from there to over there, Atmos lets us move everything smoothly - and you can just follow him, follow him, follow him," Freemantle says. "You track him rather than just hitting that side and then that side.
"It's not only the dialogue that's doing that - everything that's attached to that character will be moving. It's exactly what we wanted to do and we designed it that way from the beginning, but the Atmos gave you that smooth movement so you can actually feel that movement and rotation - you're almost inside it.
"You can suddenly hear all those minute details in an infinitely better manner. They were always there, and they were always good but just by using Atmos - the sheer quality of the sound and the weight of it - creates a better emotional contact.
Freemantle wasn't the only Atmos fan on Gravity's production team - the film's writer and director, Alfonso Cuaron, has described it as "the sound system I always dreamed of".
But the absence of sound was as crucial to the film as the muffled but flinch-inducing crashes of bullet-speed debris obliterating space stations.
"Part of what was great about it is that we had space to put silence in, so you actually feel things move - we have those gaps so that when something happens it's more dynamic than it would ever be [otherwise]. We weren't trying to swamp it, we were trying to tell a story of what is going on rather than it just be sound all the time."
This reliance on silence and the fluid movement of a theatre speaker set up adds to the consensus that Gravity is an event film - it's not one to download on your phone and watch on the bus, it's one to go out to the cinema for.
But it's one thing make your audience feel like they're in the film when they're watching it in IMAX 3D with Dolby Atmos sound all around them - but how do you translate that to someone watching it on their iPhone on the bus wearing crappy Apple headphones?
There's a slightly awkward pause. "Well..."
"Mobile phones - most of these sounds - I don't even know if you're going to hear them," says Niv Adiri, the film's sound design editor and re-recording mixer, almost sadly. "They're a different register."
"At home, most people have got good systems these days and even in a not very good system you're going to hear the details - but it's a different experience."
"I think on phones - because you can watch the trailers on a phone already - yeah, you can hear it and it still looks amazing. You get the sense of it, but you're never going to get this [Atmos]," Freemantle adds. "Well, not yet..."
And we're off into a world where Dolby Atmos is installed in baseball caps and powered by a Dolby Atmos phone app.
But that's a long way off given that Atmos is barely in cinemas. Australia doesn't even have one yet and there are just four Dolby Atmos theatres in the UK - only two of which that you, Joe Public, can visit. There are more in the US - around 122 - but considering the size of the country, you're still looking at a bit of a road-trip to visit one.
It's worth the pilgrimage though, the sound team tells us. Watching Gravity in Atmos rather than standard audio is an upgrade that's on a par with going from 2D to IMAX 3D.
""This is not just an improvement. This is the next stage of listening to films in the cinema," says Freemantle. "It's a completely new experience."
"It helps people feel it," Aldiri adds. "You don't just hear it, you feel it."
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